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Hi, I'm new here.. I guess this is to comment about my changes and stuff right?

Re: Ear piercing: it definitely needs attention, so I recon you probably did the right thing! -- Steinsky 13:16, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Hey Pakaran :) I hope you like the place and choose to stay.

Some links that may be of use:

Great work on Sociable number! Here are some tips though;

  • You should put the title in the introduction and bold it (you can use '''bold''' to get bold.
  • You only really need to have wikilinks once in the article
  • You don't need to link to the own page (ie not link sociable number in sociable number).

Keep up to good work :) Dysprosia 03:20, 1 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Hi, did you know you can sign using four tildes (~~~~). Using three will leave out the date stamp. Angela 22:31, Oct 3, 2003 (UTC)

I didn't bother to check. When I saw the timestamps, I realized that my comment was probably unnecessary, but I don't think it hurts. P.S. Don't forget to sign your comments. ;-) -- Cyan 02:50, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Sorry, my comment in the change on the list of longest reigning popes sounds rude, but it was rather intended to show me smile :) It actually made me smile to read about 24 years and 12 months and not 25 years. Please take my apologies if it was received as harsh, it wasn't meant this way. --denny vrandecic 13:57, Oct 15, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Pakaran, I noticed your edit summary on Talk:Main Page of "...Is there a procedure for listing stuff here?". Wikipedia:Selected Articles on the Main Page would probably answer your questions. If not, then Talk:Main Page is a good place to ask. Angela 01:36, Oct 17, 2003 (UTC)

I don't know. I've never edited Current events. It's not a protected page though so anyone can edit it. It isn't an automatic thing. Angela 01:52, Oct 17, 2003 (UTC)

No problem. Perhaps he should have explained it in an edit summary when he removed it. Doesn't matter anyway. You might want to comment at Wikipedia talk:Remove personal attacks if you feel strongly about removing other people's comments. Angela 02:27, Oct 26, 2003 (UTC)

Well, I've blocked 3 of the IPs, but I have to go out now... Evercat 15:47, 27 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Hi, regarding historical revisionism, I don't expect to be able to maintain factual material on communism in that article but honestly what national communist movement (other than perhaps eurocommunism which never took power) did not advocate and support totalitarian methods or practice them if they were in power? Fred Bauder 04:25, 28 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Laos?, almost believable. Fred Bauder 12:11, 28 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Hi Pakaran, I moved your request for comments on PiFast to Wikipedia:Peer review as that's the place to go for feedback. Angela 23:32, Nov 3, 2003 (UTC)

No problem. If you don't know where to put something, the Village pump is the best place as it will definitely be seen, and can be easily moved by someone who knows where it should go. I don't know all the pages in Wikipedia namespace either! There are hundreds of them. :) See Wikipedia:List of articles in the Wikipedia namespace. Angela 00:10, Nov 4, 2003 (UTC)

Regarding Aplank removing comments about him on Wikipedia:Problem users: he actually asked if it was okay on the IRC channel, before he did it.

<aplank> hello Is it OK if I make another page for Adam Carr on problem users? 
           It is starting to take up too big a space on the main problem users 
<Lir> u do whatever floats yor boat

-- Tim Starling 02:40, Nov 11, 2003 (UTC)

This in regards to removing the section on Adam Carr, to a seperate page. As far as I know, nobody has objected to that. Lirath Q. Pynnor Oh, he moved it to Carr's user page -- lol Lirath Q. Pynnor

You're interested in prime numbers? Indeed... They have many interesting applications, and, perhapas more importantly, implications in the physical world...

On another note: what do you think about Phi (1.6180339...)? It seems to me to be an almost all-encompassing number... It's derivation from (sqrt5+1)/2 is also interesting in a multitude of ways...

Are you aware of the anomalous representation of the number 23 in the phenomenal world as a numerological archetype? I think you'll find that if you investigate these three numbers and how they relate to eachother (as the Pythagoreans believed), they appear to be profoundly significant. If you will, mystical... Khranus (6 is also incredibly interesting. Make the connections between its mathematical relationships and its ancient mystical significance. It's quite incredible. 6 is the number of water, of the hexagram, of Man, etc... And it's also the perfect perfect number, if you know what I mean (6=1+2+3, 1,2,3 are all prime numbers, 6 is the smallest perfect number, etc., etc., etc.)

(I noticed that you called this 'bad math'... In my opinion, mathematics, like spoken language, can be writte in a multitude of different artistic styles, and viewed in manifold ways. Mathematics is an artform--logical poetry. Khranus

The Enterprise in AGT had exactly the same hull number as it always did in TNG. The implication was that this was exactly the same ship, having been extensively refitted in the intervening years. Details about it should go on the 1701D page. -- Rlandmann 02:11, 13 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Dude, I love the stretching page - it's hysterical! I dunno if it's really a thing that people actually do (I'm too afraid to google to find out), and I strongly suspect our buddy kingpron is a troll. Still, I'm inclined to copy it over to internet-encyclopedia, but I don't know to write a SPOV version - and I think I'd die from laughing if I were to try. Maybe I'll suggest doing so to kingpr0n. You've made my day. -- Finlay McWalter 02:54, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hi Nathan, I noticed your comments about Illuminati. Perhaps we do need to avoid biting this newcomer. He is at least participating on the talk page now, so perhaps he just needs some more help to understand how things work here. What he's doing might well be a result of confusion rather than purposeful vandalism. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt for a little while longer, but obviously you are right to watch his edits and check he isn't reverting without reason etc. Angela 21:52, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hi, I see your point but I'm not inclined to protect it just yet. He hasn't reverted for the last hour anyway and is now working on Illuminati Order of the United States instead. Anyway, if it's unprotected, we can see how this user acts and whether they are now willing to try and work with others on getting a sensible article. If it's protected, you can't tell whether they are serious about contributing here or not. Angela 22:09, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I removed the page from "current disputes" for just that reason. We can re-add it if the issue flares up again - it's in the history. :) Martin 00:04, 15 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Your comment on VfD about Wikipedia:Wikipedians by Favorite Ice Cream Flavor made me laugh. I think you may have put your comment in the wrong place though. I really can't seen any "Khranal influence" in it! :) Angela 04:50, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Actually, that was Martin not Calmypal. I'm not sure it's really a problem. Why do you think it is? I'm going to move it to Meta soon anyway. Angela 05:18, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hi, Pakaran
I saw your Village Pump post and I looked at AIDS (I'm reasonably well-informed on ths subject). If you are talking about's edits, they all appear to be completely fact, whoever he is he seems to know what he's talking about: though there are perhaps a few more words to add on biological markers of relative degrees of susceptibility, he hasn't added anything wrong. Was there something specific you had doubts on?-- Someone else 05:23, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

  • There may be some people who have lesser susceptibility to HIV (for example, if they have variants of CCR5) (see Group of Africans resistance to AIDS [1], but there does not seem to be anyone with absolute immunity. (also "Resistance to HIV-1 infection: lessons learned from studies of highly exposed persistently seronegative (HEPS) individuals.") All but 43 of the prostitutes studied became HIV (+). Keyword "HEPS" at pubmed will get more results. I get your point about the creationism (the changes did take out the idea that we would ordinarily expect fatal viruses to become less virulent), but this would be a very indirect way to attack evolution<G> --Someone else 05:47, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by it makes the project look bad. The article is linking to pages in the main namespace, but the main space is not linking to it. One problem might be of course is that when you click "what links here" you would see that article. However, once it's gone to Meta, that won't be an issue as inter-wiki links don't show up. Angela 05:30, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Oh I see what you mean. It was about the inappropriateness of the links in general rather than the fact there were any links to the main namespace. Yes well, that's Martin. ;) As it's going to be on Meta and anything goes there, I wouldn't worry, but if you have concerns about similar things that are staying on Wikipedia, then do raise them. Angela 05:38, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Calmypal has now linked this page to things like vanilla sex

As Angela hints this was me initially, though I see Calmypal improved upon them. Nonsense pages deserve nonsense links, after all. Martin 13:53, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I would like to express a heartfelt thanks to: Κσυπ Cyp , Cimon Avaro on a pogostick, snoyes, Adam Bishop , Secretlondon, Hephaestos , , Jamesday, Pakaran for nominating me and supporting me. It is encouraging to know that my efforts over the past 6 months have been appreciated. I prize your actions all the more knowing that many of you were not familiar with my work and had to do some research to decide whether to support me or not (because I limit my contributions to the 750 business/economics articles) . Thank you for the time, the effort, and the confidence.

There was a minority that did not support me because of my name. It seems that half have a problem because they read ?shat? into it and half because of the word ?god?. I find this amazing. The people that read ?shat? into the character string had to ignore the commonly used word ?hat? and pick out a word that has not been in common use for more than a century. My spell checker is currently telling me that the word dosn?t exist. One complainant insisted on converting ?Monad? into ?gonads? and ?Excrescent? into ?excrement?. Another saw ?a dog eating a bone? as a sexual act. All I can say to these people is ?Get professional help?.

As for changing my name, I have decided not to do that for two reasons. One is a philosophical reason. For an explanation, read The Crucible, particularly where John Proctor declares the importance of your name. The price of adminship is too high. The other reason is a practical one. I find it useful to use the same name on all my online activities. It is interesting that two universities and several commercial sites don?t have a problem with my name. Maybe it is not all that surprising since they are not inhabited by trolls trying to forward their cause.

Hope to see you around the business/economics pages in the future. mydogategodshat 03:13, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)


what is wrong will putting muhhumads wordS in his own mouth in the light of current events?

Muhammad in His Own Words

Terror: Bukhari Allah?s Apostle said, ?I have been made victorious with terror!? Qur?an I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them. Tabari The battle cry was: ?Kill! Kill! Kill!? Fighting: Bukhari Fighting in Allah?s Cause is better than the world and whatever is in it. Qur?an Wipe the infidels out to the last. War: Qur?an Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them. Take them captive, harass them, and ambush them using every stratagem of war. Qur?an Fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam. Ishaq We are pledging ourselves to wage war against all mankind. Murder: Tabari Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us. Bukhari The Prophet had their men killed, their women and children taken as captives. Ishaq The prophet declared, ?Kill every Jew.? Torture: Qur?an Crucify them or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides. Ishaq Muhammad ordered, ?Torture him until you root out what he has.? Thievery: Qur?an Booty is lawful and good. Tabari Muhammad began seizing their herds and property bit by bit. Stupidity: Bukhari The Prophet said, ?I have been caused by Allah to forget the Qur?an. So keep reciting it because the Qur?an escapes faster than a runaway camel.? Bukhari Satan circulates in human beings as blood flows in our bodies. Science: Bukhari If a man has sexual intercourse and gets discharge first, the child will resemble him. Tabari Gabriel brings the sun a garment of luminosity. It is longer in the summer. The sun puts it on as you put on your clothes. Tabari The sun tumbles from its chariot, causing a total eclipse. Tolerance: Bukhari If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him. Qur?an Prepare against the infidels whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you can terrorize them. Freedom: Qur?an No Muslim has any choice after Allah and his Apostle have decided a matter. Racism: Ishaq The Prophet said, ?If a black man comes to you, his heart more gross than a donkey?s.? Women: Tabari The Prophet married Aisha. At the time, she was six. Qur?an You may take whomever you desire. Bukhari I was shown hell, and the majority of its dwellers were women. Money: Tabari What is this religion? Muhammad claims Allah has sent him with this religion so that the treasures of Persia and Rome will be given to him by conquest. Demons: Bukhari A person missed the morning prayer, so the Prophet said, ?Satan urinated in his ears.? Ishaq Muhammad said, ?Woe is me. I am possessed.? Deception: Qur?an Allah has sanctioned the dissolution of your vows. Qur?an Allah is not bound by treaties. Bukhari War is decete

each statment has its source ecepted transaltions( tabari. bukhari,) and each can be easily found is it offensive because it is show and cant be equivcated away? Islams "holy writing" indites itself but without the only source of information the "holy writing" of islam islam crumbles why not expose it? user: MINDBOMB


Woa.. I can't believe your randomly-chosen name has a meaning in Swedish. What a coincidence! Sure, it may not be an illustrious meaning, but it's a meaning nevertheless. :-) Unbelievable, the coincidence. --Menchi 07:08, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Conspiracy theory[edit]

Hi, you listed Conspiracy theory on Wikipedia:Current disputes over articles over a month ago. Do you feel it is still disputed? If it's a long term thing then maybe a dispute notice added to the article would be best. If the dispute has been settled, please could you remove the listing from Wikipedia:Current disputes over articles. Thanks. Angela 08:51, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Boilerplate for warnings[edit]

I don't think there is a boilerplate for warnings. Why don't you have a go at making one? Cheers, Cyan 06:03, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)

There's not an official one, but the ones I use at are at [[2]]. Angela. 21:16, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Don't worry. There isn't really any consensus yet. I've called a vote at Talk:2003 Canada-U.S. blackout to try and get some. Angela. 04:33, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip about the talk page thing. It's weird it's suddenly started happening to me. Last week I had the opposite and was getting no notification at all. Angela. 05:09, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship[edit]

Hi, I've nominated you for adminship. See Wikipedia:Requests for adminship and let us know is you accept. RickK 05:27, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)

You're now an administrator -- Tim Starling 00:32, Dec 6, 2003 (UTC)

It might be best to leave that one for someone else, which is actually what I'm doing as well. Personally, I think it should be deleted, and most people on VfD say the same but sometimes it's not worth a fight with people like Oliver and The Cunctator. Your call really. Angela. 01:42, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hopefully, but that doesn't always happen. Leaving it a couple more days won't do any harm anyway. Angela. 01:51, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)
You decided to risk the fight then? :) You might want to see WP:VFU. Angela. 03:59, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Adminship, nothing personal[edit]

Hi Pakaran, wanted to say congrats on the adminship and apologize if any of the talk re: your adminship seemed personal. It wasn't meant to be that. I've used your stats to press for a scrutiny on what numbers are appropriate for new admins, in addition to reputation which is indeed the more important factor. So I hope you don't take any offense in putting your case under the spotlight, because I have no quarrel with you or your contributions here. Fuzheado 00:13, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Bold and italic titles such as book titles and so on: bold because it's the title and italics since it's common practice to do so to terms and titles. Thanks Dysprosia 05:13, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

It was my pleasure, I assure you.  :) - Hephaestos 07:52, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

He seems to only be defending his own work; I think we can let "nature" take its course there (it's times like these that I'm a big fan of consensus procedure). - Hephaestos 07:59, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

"I see 4 acts of vandalism over 24 hours - how does this "require immediate blocking?" from Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress.

Sorry, I don't know the rules of IP blocking. Whats the criteria for immediate blocking ? and whats the concept of 24 hours. Pls point me to the appropriate rule page. Jay 08:49, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hi, if you delete an article, don't forget to delete the images in it too if they are only used in that article and the same reason for deleting them applies. Image:Vijayashanker paramsothy.jpg for example, which I've deleted now. You should also review the guidelines on page protection. You should not be protecting pages you have edited. Angela. 18:07, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Whatever your concerns were with Age of Heroic Medicine, it would have been better to have asked someone else to protect it rather than protecting it yourself. Just follow the "don't protect a page you've edited rule" and you will able to avoid any accusations of sysop abuse. Angela. 19:08, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Don't let one user upset you so much. It's not worth getting wikistressed about. :) Angela. 19:08, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)


I'm not sure that every stub should be immediately deleted. Some, like ACT-UP, could be improved with a few minutes work. Maybe we should create a new page for Wikipedia:pages that some sysop is sorely tempted to delete but would rather somebody took the time to flesh out into a real article. --Uncle Ed 23:40, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Pakaran, thanks for supporting my bid for brilliance. I'd be curious to know what you didn't understand about synapse so that I could tweak it where it needs it. It does go into a lot of detail. Perhaps I relied too much on readers linking out to learn the necessary vocabulary? Or...?168... 01:39, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Uhhhh..... [3] Dysprosia 05:51, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

About Lower Silesia... Well, I hadn't even finished explaining why I protected this page when the ruckus moved to my Talk page. Sheesh. But I'll remember your advice should I protect another page. -- llywrch 04:44, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Don't worry about accidentally protecting User_talk: Look at the log. People do it every day! Quite often when they mean to delete something. You unprotected in the same minute, so no cause for alarm. Angela. 06:09, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

It really was his final warning[edit]

From Recent changes:

  • (diff) (hist) . . User talk:; 22:39 . . Pakaran (Talk) (This is your final warning. -- ~~~~)
  • (diff) (hist) . . Wikipedia:Block log; 22:39 . . Cyan (Talk) (blocked "": vandalism, was warned)

I think that one warning is sufficient... -- Cyan 22:45, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)